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UKPC Worcester Blackpole McDonalds Car Park
#11
No reply from dcblegal yet.
#12
There is not much point wasting a lot of energy on this. The BPA have fobbed you off, not unexpectedly. DCB Legal are DCB Legal, and nothing of real consequence is likely to happen unless and until they issue a claim. If they do, it is very defendable and, provided you follow the advice and deal with the steps properly, there is a very strong prospect that it will be discontinued before trial.

That final outcome is still likely many months away, so do not lose any sleep over it.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain
#13
Thank you for the help and reassurance.
#14
Have had a reply: 

Dear xxxxxxx,

We write in response to your correspondence received in our office dated 15 April 2026.

We now respond to the same as follows.

Our Client applied to the DVLA for the details of the Registered Keeper of the Vehicle. Your name and address were provided. Our Client therefore correctly issued correspondence to you at that address. Having not received payment, address verification was carried out prior to the Letter of Claim being sent. Your new address was located and as such the Letter of Claim was issued to you at the traced address.

When parking on private land, the contractual terms of the site are set out on the signs. You are entering a contract and agreeing to the terms by parking and staying on the site. Parking in breach of the terms as stipulated on the signage means that you are then breaking the terms of the contract.

The terms and conditions on the signs stated 1 hour maximum stay , or otherwise a parking charge would be issued. The vehicle was recorded on the land for 1 hour 18 minutes, as is demonstrated in the photographic evidence attached. The parking charge was issued correctly.

Our Client will ensure that there are signs clearly displayed on the land, outlining the terms of the parking. These will generally be displayed at the entrance and exit of the land/ car park, as well as being positioned at various points throughout the land . You should always be vigilant when entering any land that you are not familiar with or that you know is privately owned and there are parking terms in place.

In accordance with the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice, where the Parking Charge (PC) becomes overdue and before Court proceedings have commenced, a reasonable sum may be added for the debt recovery fees. The correct recovery fees have been added and will not be removed. As such, the outstanding balance of £170 remains payable to prevent further action.

If there are any documents that you have requested, but that are not attached, it is because we have deemed the request to be disproportionate and/or not relevant to the substantive issues in dispute. We respectfully draw your attention to paragraph 2.1(c) of the Protocol and remind you that both parties are expected to act reasonably and proportionately.

You now have 30 days from the date of this email to make payment of £170.00. Failure to make payment may result in a Claim being issued against you without any further reference.
Payment can be made via bank transfer to our designated client account: -

Account Name: DCB Legal Ltd Client Account
Sort Code: xxxxxxx
Account Number: xxxxxxx
You must quote the correct case reference (xxxxxxxxUKPC) when making payment. If you do not, we may be unable to correctly allocate the payment. If further action is taken by us as a result of an incorrect reference being quoted, you will be liable for any further fees or costs incurred.

We would ask that you kindly furnish us with your most up to date telephone number , this can be emailed to us at info@dcblegal.co.uk.

Alternatively, you can contact DCB Legal Ltd on 0203 838 7038 to make payment over the telephone or online at https://dcblegal.co.uk/response/pay-online/.
Kind Regards,

Ayanda Dube

DCB Legal Ltd
#15
That is just DCB Legal’s usual boilerplate and it does not really answer the points you raised.

They have ignored the key complaint that their client failed to engage with the formal complaint before moving on to pre-action. They have said nothing meaningful about the failed appeal process, nothing meaningful about ADR, and nothing meaningful about the point that ANPR entry and exit times do not of themselves prove a true period of parking. Instead, they have simply repeated the usual generic nonsense about signage, contract, DVLA data and the added debt recovery sum.

Their line about requests being “disproportionate” is also standard waffle. It is just a way of refusing to engage properly with inconvenient points while still pretending they have answered the Letter of Claim response.

So, I would not waste further time batting letters back and forth with them. You have already put the dispute on record and preserved the points that matter. There is little value in further engagement with DCB Legal because they are plainly not interested in properly addressing the issues.

At this stage, just keep everything and wait for the inevitable claim. Once that arrives, it can be dealt with properly.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain
#16
Thanks again. 

Back to watching the postbox for the next move.
#17
Had an email on Friday: 

Good morning,

Thank you for your email.

At all stages of the lifespan of this parking charge, we have adhered to the BPA code of practice and dispute your allegations that we have acted otherwise.

As previously stated, we have not received an appeal for this parking charge. When an appeal is submitted via the appeals website, an auto-reply is sent to you by email.

UKPC is a member of the British Parking Association and Approved Operator Scheme, which means that we are a member of a well regulated industry and conform to the relevant requirements and regulations.

Please be advised that the case is no longer with UKPC. We therefore would advise that you contact DCB Legal with any queries moving forward on 0203 434 0433 or by emailing info@dcblegal.co.uk

Thank you.

Kind regards,
Complaints Department

UK Parking Control Ltd
PO Box 1608
High Wycombe
HP12 9FN
#18
@Ogrebear, that changes nothing of substance.

It is just another stock non-answer. They simply deny everything, assert compliance, say no appeal was received, and then try to wash their hands of the matter by saying it is with DCB Legal. They still do not address the actual complaint point about the timing of the escalation, and they still avoid engaging with the wider procedural failure.

Their statement that an auto-reply is sent if an appeal is submitted does not prove that no appeal was attempted. It merely states what they say ought to happen if their system works properly. It does not answer the possibility of a system failure or mishandling.

The reference to being “well regulated” is a joke. It's just template response rubbish. It adds nothing.

So the position remains the same. Do not waste more time arguing with UKPC. Keep that email as further evidence that they have refused to engage properly with the complaint and have instead hidden behind generic denials and referral to DCB Legal.

At this stage, just preserve everything, continue with the SAR if not already done, and wait for the claim. Once that arrives, their repeated failure to engage can simply be folded into the overall background.

I really would not lose any sleep over this.

A claim will eventually be issued, because that is simply what DCB Legal do. They churn these things out in bulk and carry them forward regardless of whatever sensible points are put to them. So none of what is happening at this stage should be taken as a sign that they have a strong case. It is just their standard process.

The important point is this. Once a claim is issued and properly defended with the advice you receive here, nothing meaningful will come of it. In my experience, and from a very large body of almost 900 recent, comparable cases, DCB Legal’s modus operandi is to push defended claims along until the point they have to pay the hearing fee, and then discontinue. That is how they operate. They make their money from the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree, the many people who pay up out of ignorance and fear or fail to defend, not from taking properly defended cases all the way to a hearing.

Issuing and paying for a claim is a "loss leader" for them. There are enough low-hanging fruit out there to make it very profitable for them, even if they capitulate on a few that are actually defended.

So yes, expect the usual bluster and a claim in due course, but do not mistake that for genuine danger. As long as you deal with it properly and follow the advice here, the overwhelming likelihood (greater than 99%) is that DCB Legal will eventually issue an N279 Notice of Discontinuance and walk away before any final hearing.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain
#19
This arrived on Sat: 

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Sorry if the images are a bit large. 

I have been keeping all the correspondence regarding this case. 

Thank you for all the advise.
#20
@Ogrebear, the only form that I need to see is the N1SDT Claim Form. All the others you can just file.

This is totally as expected. If you follow the advice, you will not be paying a penny to UKPC. I can assure you with greater than 99% certainty that if this claim is defended, DCB Legal will throw in the towel about 4-5 weeks before the hearing date, just before they have to pay the £27 trial fee.

For now, this is the important information...

With an issue date of 2nd June, you have until 4pm on Monday 22nd June to submit your defence. If you submit an Acknowledgement of Service (AoS) before then, you would then have until 4pm on Monday 6th July to submit your defence.

You only need to submit an AoS if you need extra time to prepare your defence. If you want to submit an AoS then follow the instructions in this linked PDF:

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/qfj81ckwc...r9v4u&dl=0

I now generally advise submitting a short defence through MCOL. Whilst MCOL is limited in that it does not allow formatting or the attachment of transcripts and other documents, it has the important advantage of being submitted instantly and entered into the court system immediately. Given the continuing administrative failures at the CNBC, that is now the safer course. Any authorities, transcripts or other documents can be filed later with the Witness Statement if the claim progresses that far.

You will need to copy and paste the defence into the MCOL defence text box. It has been checked to ensure that it fits within the 122-line limit.

Quote:1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant denies any liability to the Claimant and denies that any debt is owed.

2. Further and in the alternative, insofar as any substantive response can be given to the vague Particulars of Claim, it is denied that the vehicle was parked for longer than permitted as alleged. The driver was a customer at the McDonald’s drive-thru on site, and the Claimant is put to strict proof of any actual period of parking, as distinct from mere ANPR entry and exit timestamps which may include driving, queueing, circulating, waiting, or other non-parking time.

3. It is further denied that any relevant contractual terms were adequately brought to the driver’s attention, particularly at night. An appeal raising those matters was attempted through the Claimant’s online portal, but no acknowledgement, no decision and no POPLA code were ever provided. A formal complaint was then made about the handling of the matter and the premature escalation to debt recovery, but no proper resolution followed.

4. The Particulars of Claim do not comply with CPR 16.4 and PD 16. Although they identify a location, date, and a vague "Reason: Parked For Longer Than Permitted", they still do not plead a clear or complete cause of action and remain so sparse that the Defendant is unable to plead properly in response.

5. In particular, the Particulars of Claim fail to state, with sufficient clarity and particularity:

  (a) the full contractual basis of the claim;
  (b) whether the alleged agreement was written, oral, by conduct, or some combination of those matters;
  (c) the exact contractual term or terms relied upon;
  (d) the conduct said to have amounted to any acceptance of terms;
  (e) the actual maximum stay or other term said to have applied;
  (f) the actual period of parking said to have given rise to the charge, as distinct from mere ANPR entry and exit timestamps;
  (g) the facts relied upon to pursue the Defendant as driver and, in the alternative, as keeper pursuant to Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012; and
  (h) how the sum claimed is calculated, including the basis of the additional £70, interest, fees and costs.

6. Where a claim is based upon an agreement, PD 16 paragraph 7 requires the agreement to be pleaded properly. In Liberty Homes (Kent) Ltd v Rajakanthan & Ors [2022] EWHC 2201 (TCC), Mrs Justice Jefford DBE held at paragraph 42 that it is implicit that the Particulars of Claim must set out the claimant’s case as to whether the agreement was oral, in writing, made by conduct, or some combination.

7. The Claimant has failed to do so. Merely stating "Reason: Parked For Longer Than Permitted" does not plead the actual contractual term relied upon, the alleged permitted period, the facts said to constitute acceptance of any contract, the actual period of parking relied upon, or the basis upon which keeper liability is said to arise in the alternative. The Defendant is therefore still left to guess the case being advanced.

8. The Claimant cannot excuse those deficiencies by reliance on the fact that the claim was issued through MCOL. CPR 16.2(2) expressly provides that, if the particulars required by CPR 16.4 are not contained in or served with the claim form, the claimant must state on the claim form that the particulars will follow. There was therefore nothing to prevent the Claimant from serving detailed separate Particulars of Claim within the permitted time if the MCOL text box was said to be insufficient. The Claimant chose not to do so.

9. Given the modest sum claimed, the routine nature of these bulk-issued proceedings, and the Claimant’s choice to issue generic and deficient Particulars of Claim without later serving compliant detailed particulars, the Defendant submits that requiring further pleadings or further case management steps would be disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective.

10. The Court is therefore invited to strike out the claim of its own initiative pursuant to CPR 3.4 and CPR 3.3.

11. In the alternative only, if the Court is not minded to strike out the claim, the Defendant asks that the Claimant be ordered to file and serve fully particularised Particulars of Claim, and that the Defendant then have permission to file and serve an amended defence.

You can have a read through the many other cases on here to see the process.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain


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