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PCN Civil Enforcement Spring Hall Medical Practice, Halifax - 3Sh3roo - 05-15-2026 Hi b789, The registered keeper (not driver) received the following PCN by post, can you please advise best defense? (Edited as date of contravention is 01/05/2026 NOT 08/05) ---------- This case concerns a Parking Charge Notice (private parking firm) issued by Civil Enforcement Ltd, relating to an alleged contravention on Friday, 01 May 2026. The notice itself is dated an unspecified date, and I first became aware of it via received initial notice. The notice appears to have been issued as By post (ANPR/camera). Driver identified status: NO. Equality Act considerations: No. The location is stated as Spring Hall Medical Practice, Spring Hall Lane, Halifax. A preliminary Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) assessment indicates PENDING: Enter the notice issue date to calculate deemed delivery and timing. Route applied: Not specified. The notice is treated as given on Not available. Current stage: - Notice responded to: No - Debt recovery letters: No - Letter of Claim: No - County Court claim: No Please can I have advice on the strongest next steps and defence points for this case. --------- RE: PCN Civil Enforcement Spring Hall Medical Practice, Halifax - b789 - 05-15-2026 Hi, once again, @3Sh3roo. Your vehicles do seem to have a habit of collecting PCNs. Never mind. We can easily deal with this one. The first point is that we need to see the actual signage at the site before forming a final view. The allegation on the NtK is simply “Permit Holders Only”, but the only evidence shown on the notice is ANPR-style entry and exit images. Those images only show the vehicle moving into and out of the site. They do not show where the vehicle was parked, whether it was parked at all, what signs were visible from the place where the vehicle stopped, whether any entrance sign was adequate, or whether any contractual terms were properly brought to the driver’s attention. That is particularly important because “Permit Holders Only” wording can often be prohibitory rather than contractual. If the signs merely say that only permit holders may park, that may not amount to an offer of parking to a non-permit holder. In simple terms, a sign saying “permit holders only” may be saying “you are not allowed to park here” rather than offering a contract to park for £100. That distinction matters. The NtK also has a PoFA problem. Although it gives “From” and “To” times, those appear to be ANPR entry and exit times. PoFA Schedule 4 paragraph 9(2)(a) requires the notice to specify the “period of parking” to which the notice relates. Time on site is not the same thing as a period of parking. ANPR captures a vehicle passing cameras; it does not prove when, where, or for how long the vehicle was actually parked. So the immediate position is that Civil Enforcement have alleged a permit-only contravention but have not shown any evidence of parking, any evidence of the alleged parked location, or any evidence of the signs and terms said to have created the alleged contract. The initial appeal should not identify the driver. The keeper should require Civil Enforcement to prove the signage, the contractual terms, the location of the vehicle, and the alleged period of parking. As an initial appeal is automatically rejected, it does not have to be detailed. Once rejected, you will receive a POPLA code which will allow for a more comprehensive appeal and require CE to provide more evidence. However, do not pin your hopes on POPLA as it will depend on whether you get a fully trained assessor or the janitor. For now, just use the following as your initial appeal wording and come back when you receive the rejection: Quote:I appeal as the registered keeper. I am not obliged to identify the driver and I will not be doing so. RE: PCN Civil Enforcement Spring Hall Medical Practice, Halifax - 3Sh3roo - 05-15-2026 Thanks b789, once again really appreciate your help, just tried to appeal on their website and they are giving the following options otherwise I cannot proceed, see attachment, should I pick 'I was not there at the time stated on the Parking Charge'? For the record, it was a family member driving it and sadly (for me!) I do have a fair share of them that can't seem to see signs and park properly! I think I should just let them pay the fine so they learn the hard way!? ![]() I'll owe you another coffee, after this one... RE: PCN Civil Enforcement Spring Hall Medical Practice, Halifax - b789 - 05-15-2026 Do not select any of those options if none of them accurately applies. That appeal menu is plainly designed around driver-based excuses and does not provide any proper option for a registered keeper appeal based on PoFA, signage, contract formation, lack of evidence, or no keeper liability. You should take a screenshot of that page and keep it. It may be useful later at POPLA because it shows that Civil Enforcement’s online appeal process obstructs a proper keeper appeal and tries to funnel appellants into options that either imply driver identity or concede facts. You should send it by email as part of a formal complaint. Under the PPSCoP, where a complaint concerns the validity or handling of a parking charge, the operator must treat it as an appeal where appropriate. Quote:Subject: Formal complaint and registered keeper appeal – PCN [insert PCN number] Email it to complaints@ce-service.co.uk and CC it to office@ce-service.co.uk and yourself. Civil Enforcement’s own complaints policy says complaints must be made in writing and that a complaint concerning a parking charge can be processed with the complainant’s full name and valid email address. Their site tries to push appeals through the online appeal portal, but that is precisely the problem here because the portal gives no valid keeper appeal option. RE: PCN Civil Enforcement Spring Hall Medical Practice, Halifax - 3Sh3roo - 06-09-2026 I got the following response today after sending the above email: --------------- Good afternoon, Thank you for completing our online complaints form. We have reviewed the details of your complaint. However, after careful evaluation your correspondence has been identified as an appeal in accordance with our complaints policy that can be found on our website https://www.ce-service.co.uk/complaints-policy/ . Our complaints policy clearly states our complaints form is not intended to be used as a method for motorists to appeal a Parking Charge Notice. Our complaints policy does not cover comments regarding the dissatisfaction relating to the issuance of a Parking Charge. Matters relating specifically to appeals must be made in writing as outlined on the back of the Parking Charge Notice. All appeals must be made in writing to our appeals department. We advise that you submit an appeal using the online appeal service http://appeals.ce-service.co.uk/ as the keeper of the vehicle. Please note we do not operate CCTV at this location. We use Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) cameras that record all vehicles entering and exiting the car park. The high-tech cameras are not designed to monitor movements within the car park. Yours faithfully, Civil Enforcement Complaints Team --------------- Can you please advise next steps? RE: PCN Civil Enforcement Spring Hall Medical Practice, Halifax - b789 - 06-09-2026 @3Sh3roo, Civil Enforcement’s response is useful. They have effectively confirmed that the system only records entry and exit and is "not designed to monitor movements within the car park". That supports the keeper’s point that ANPR timestamps are not evidence of a period of parking, nor of where the vehicle stopped, whether it was parked, or what signs were visible. The next step is to reply once, immediately, in the same email chain. Keep it short. The point is to create the paper trail that:
Do not use the portal if it requires a false or incriminating appeal reason. Suggested reply to CE: Quote:Dear Civil Enforcement Ltd, Send that reply, attach the screenshot of the defective dropdown menu, keep CE’s response, and do not engage with any useless and powerless debt collector if CE tries to bypass POPLA. The ANPR admission is likely to be a useful POPLA point. RE: PCN Civil Enforcement Spring Hall Medical Practice, Halifax - 3Sh3roo - 06-09-2026 Thanks for that, it seems that they were trying to advise the correspondence has NOT been identified as an appeal as they continue to get me to use their portal? Or have I read it wrong? Either way, it works very well in my favour, email and image sent. Let's see what happens now. RE: PCN Civil Enforcement Spring Hall Medical Practice, Halifax - b789 - 06-09-2026 You have read the practical effect correctly, but their wording is badly drafted. They say the correspondence "has been identified as an appeal", but then they refuse to process it through the complaints route and try to force you back to their defective appeal portal. That is internally contradictory and helps rather than harms your position. The key point is that they now know the keeper is trying to appeal. They also know why the portal cannot properly be used, because the mandatory drop-down options do not allow a keeper appeal based on PoFA, no keeper liability, signage, contract formation, or lack of evidence. They cannot fairly obstruct the appeal route by forcing the keeper to select an inaccurate option. For now, wait and see what they do. If they cancel, fine. If they reject and issue a POPLA code, the POPLA appeal can rely on PoFA 9(2)(a), inadequate evidence, signage/contract formation, and the defective appeal process. If they refuse to process it and later try debt recovery without issuing a POPLA code, that becomes a BPA complaint point because the keeper attempted to appeal and CE obstructed the process. RE: PCN Civil Enforcement Spring Hall Medical Practice, Halifax - 3Sh3roo - 06-26-2026 Hi, today the driver received a reminder as follows, should they respond? RE: PCN Civil Enforcement Spring Hall Medical Practice, Halifax - b789 - 06-26-2026 Email the following response: Send to: dataprotectionofficer@ce-service.co.uk Cc: complaints@ce-service.co.uk, office@ce-service.co.uk, Legal3@ce-service.co.uk Quote:PCN [insert PCN number] – formal data complaint, ignored keeper appeal, and notice of reliance |