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RE: Horizon Proceedings - Gooner - 06-05-2026 @b789 I have now received the claimants WS ( attached ) today 5th of June at 13:43pm, almost two full days beyond the deadline and has clearly been submitted as a response to my own WS. The contents are no more than I expected to see, which you had kindly prepared me for, however I do draw attention to the following: 1. The Exhibit shows signs which are generic and not specific to any particular premises. 2. The photographs presented of signage again could be generic and are more importantly date stamped June 2022 or February to May 2023, the parking charge was alleged to have taken place in November 2023, six months after the photographs were taken. 3. The arial photograph shows no relevant information to the statement. 4. The dark photo appears to be unrecognisable. 5. The listing of transactions shows items 1-20 of 62 entries although I respect these are in time order. 6. Point 2 of the witness statement states: " I make this witness statement in readiness for the hearing listed on 19th June 2026 at County Court at Burnley " The hearing is scheduled for the 17th of July 2026 at the County Court at Peterborough In my limited knowledge the WS appears to contain several flaws and of course has been prepared with the luxury of seeing mine in advance as well as being submitted late. Can I or should I submit anything further ? RE: Horizon Proceedings - b789 - 06-05-2026 @Gooner, this needs dealing with promptly, but it should be done in a controlled way. Do not send a full second witness statement unless the court gives permission. The correct first step is to email the court, copying Gladstones, objecting to the late WS and asking for directions. The central point is not simply that the WS is two days late. The more serious point is that it has clearly been served after they had seen your WS, and it now attempts to do exactly what your Defence and WS said they must not do: repair defective Particulars of Claim by introducing the missing factual case through witness evidence. Their paragraph 17 is especially useful because they effectively admit that the claim is "now fully particularised within this Witness Statement". That is the problem. A WS is not a pleading. If the case is only now being fully particularised, then it was not properly pleaded in the PoC. The most damning part is their claim that they were not served with the Defence. That position is not credible in the procedural context. This claim proceeded as defended. You received their N180, filed your own, went through mediation, received the Notice of Transfer and then the Notice of Allocation. If Gladstones genuinely did not have the Defence, they should have raised that with the court long ago, requested a copy, or sought directions. They did not. They waited until after your WS and then served a late statement attempting to answer it. That needs to be put front and centre because it undermines the reliability of the whole statement. It is also internally inconsistent because they say they cannot address the Defence, yet they refer to the Defence, the authorities relied upon, and the pleading point you raised. The other points are also relevant, but secondary: the WS is signed by a Gladstones solicitor, not anyone from Horizon with direct knowledge; the witness is unlikely to attend; the statement wrongly refers to a hearing on 19 June at Burnley when your hearing is 17 July at Peterborough; the signage appears generic or historic; some photos pre-date the alleged event; the dark image is of little value; the payment record appears to be only an extract; and the NtK does not invoke PoFA keeper liability. The email should ask the court to refuse permission for the Claimant to rely on the late WS and exhibits. In the alternative, if the court is minded to allow it, you should ask for permission to file a short supplementary WS dealing only with the late evidence and new factual matters. Send it now, copy Gladstones, and keep the email showing the exact time their WS was served. Do not chase them or help them fix anything. The point is that you complied with the court deadline and they did not. If the court says a formal application is required, then you can decide whether an N244 is proportionate, but for now the objection email preserves the point and shows that you did not accept the late evidence by silence. Send this by email to the court, CC Gladstones and yourself: Quote:Subject: Claim No. M8GF4T40 – objection to Claimant’s late witness statement and request for directions RE: Horizon Proceedings - Gooner - 06-05-2026 @b789 Thank you for the very comprehensive response and advice, I will do this now. Can I ask a hypothetical question, in the Notice of Allocation it states: " If you cannot or choose not to attend the hearing, you must write and tell the court at least 7 days before the date of the hearing, the district judge will hear the case in your absence, but will take account of your statement of case and any other documents you have filed " If I chose not to attend, is there any real detremental effect to my case ?, Gladstones have confirmed they will not attend. RE: Horizon Proceedings - b789 - 06-06-2026 You absolutely do not want to be absent. Be there. It is a very valuable life experience. If you’re feeling daunted by it, have watch if this short video which explains what happens on the day. This is county court. Not the Old Bailey. This is not a criminal trial. https://youtu.be/n93eoaxhzpU?feature=shared RE: Horizon Proceedings - Gooner - 06-22-2026 I spoke with the County Court Helpline this morning ( 22nd June ), their system was showing that no fee had been paid by the claimant and I was advised to email the court to confirm this and request that the claim is struck out, would you advise any additional comments are made at this stage, also would I need to copy Gladstones into the email ? Many Thanks RE: Horizon Proceedings - b789 - 06-22-2026 Yes, copy Gladstones. It avoids any suggestion that you are corresponding with the court behind their back on a live case-management issue. I would keep this short and procedural. The main point is the unpaid hearing fee. Do not overload the email with every defect in their late WS. However, it is worth adding one sentence preserving the existing objection to their late WS in case they now try to seek relief from sanctions or pay the fee late. The key point is that the court helpline has confirmed that the system shows no hearing fee paid by the 19 June deadline, so you are asking the court to confirm that the claim has been struck out in accordance with the Notice of Allocation, or to place the matter before a judge for directions. Do not get drawn into arguing the whole case again at this stage. The fee default is enough. However, I would add one sentence confirming that you maintain your objection to the Claimant’s late WS and exhibits, in case they now try to rely on them or seek relief. Include a short costs schedule, either attached as a separate one-page PDF or pasted beneath the email after the signature. Because the allocation order expressly says that, if the Claimant fails to pay the trial fee by 4pm on 19 June 2026, the claim is struck out and, unless the court orders otherwise, the Claimant is liable for the Defendant’s costs, it is sensible to give the court the figure now rather than merely asking for directions. Keep it modest and credible. Do not include “stress”, “inconvenience”, or speculative items. Include only actual time and disbursements incurred in defending the claim. Use the current LiP rate of £24/hour. Quote:Dear Sir/Madam, That is enough. If the court replies that the fee was paid late, or that Gladstones are seeking relief, then the late WS objection and the defective PoC points become relevant again. Suggested structure for costs schedule: Quote:Schedule of Defendant’s Costs RE: Horizon Proceedings - Gooner - 06-24-2026 @b789 E-mail was sent on Monday with attached list of costs, I have again spoken with the court helpline this morning who again confirmed that the fee has not been paid, however they couldnt confirm that the case had been struck out, is it normal procedure for the Court to write to the defendant to confirm this, I assume I should still be prepared for the court case unless I hear otherwise. RE: Horizon Proceedings - b789 - 06-24-2026 @Gooner That is the problem. In theory, the court should confirm the strike-out, but in practice the notice may not arrive before the hearing date. Unlike a discontinuance, where the Claimant or solicitor would normally serve a copy of the N279, an automatic strike-out for non-payment of the hearing fee often just sits in the court system until admin eventually catches up. So do not rely on receiving written confirmation in time. The practical position is that he claim should already be struck out if the fee was not paid by 4pm on 19 June, because that is what the Notice of Allocation says. However, unless the court confirms that the hearing has been vacated, you should assume there is still a risk it remains on the list. Keep checking with the court shortly before the hearing and ask the specific question: “Is the hearing on 17 July still listed?” Not “has the case been struck out?”, because the helpline may not be able to confirm that. Do not contact the incompetents Gladstones about the unpaid fee. If you get to court on 17 July and are told the hearing is not listed or has been vacated, do not simply leave. Ask the usher whether the matter can be put before a District Judge there and then for a brief consequential order, because you have attended unnecessarily due to the Claimant’s failure to pay the hearing fee. Have with you:
The point to make to the usher is simple: "The order says the claim was struck out without further order if the Claimant did not pay the hearing fee by 4pm on 19 June. I have attended because the court did not confirm the hearing had been vacated. I ask that this be put before a District Judge today for confirmation of strike-out and costs, including the wasted costs of today’s unnecessary attendance." If the usher says no judge is available, ask them to note on the file that you attended, that you were told the hearing was not proceeding, and that you asked for the costs issue to be placed before a judge. Do not argue with the usher. They cannot make the order themselves. The objective is to get the attendance recorded and, if possible, get the file in front of a judge that day. If they will not do anything, make your own attendance note immediately before leaving the building. Record the time you arrived, who you spoke to if known, what you were told, and that you asked for the matter to be put before a judge. Then send an email to the court from the court building or immediately afterwards saying that you attended for the listed hearing, were told it was not proceeding, had not been notified in advance, and now seek confirmation of strike-out and costs including the wasted attendance costs. RE: Horizon Proceedings - Gooner - 07-02-2026 I have today spoken to the court helpline again and they have told me that the fee was paid on the 25th of June and that the hearing is still listed for the 17th of July. From this point I have an issue which I briefly touched on before, I am unable to attend the court hearing in person due to a family issue, this is an ongoing situation and I wouldnt be able to provide an alternate date if asked, I understand that I must notify the court at least 7 days from the hearingand that the Judge will hear the case in my absence and will take account of my statement and any other documents I have filed. I feel that I want to provide a timeline of errors made by Gladstones and also a recap of my case, most importantly that the fee was not paid in time and the paperwork clearly states that The claim will be struck out without further order, however I am unsure if this is a good idea or if it is even relevant. I am aware that my situation may weaken my case, but I believe that Gladstones have pretty much abused the system all along. I am unsure how to proceed with this. RE: Horizon Proceedings - b789 - 07-03-2026 Apologies for the late response but I am away on vacation for the next 2 weeks. I am currently on the road driving to Spain so will have very limited time to respond until after I arrive at my destination. @Gooner, If the hearing is still listed and you cannot attend, you must send a written notice to the court under CPR 27.9, and you must copy Gladstones. That is not optional if you want the court to decide the case in your absence. Keep it focused. Do not send a long emotional timeline. Send a short hearing note with the CPR 27.9 notice making these points: 1. You cannot attend and ask the court to decide the claim in your absence. 2. As a preliminary issue, the Claimant failed to pay the £27 hearing fee by 4pm on 19 June 2026. Paragraph 3 of the Notice of Allocation said the claim would be struck out automatically, without further order, if that fee was not paid by the deadline. 3. The court helpline has since confirmed that the fee was only paid on 25 June 2026. That was late. The Claimant therefore needed relief from sanction. You have seen no application for relief and no order granting relief. 4. You ask the judge to find that the claim was struck out with effect from 19 June 2026 pursuant to paragraph 3 of the Notice of Allocation. 5. If the judge does not accept that point, you ask the judge to refuse or give little weight to the Claimant’s late WS, which was also served after the deadline and after they had seen your WS. 6. If the claim is still considered, you rely on your Defence, your WS, your costs schedule, and your objection to the Claimant’s late evidence. Your inability to attend is not ideal, but it does not mean you simply let Gladstones walk through this. The strongest point is now the late hearing fee. If the order said strike-out without further order, and the fee was not paid until 25 June, the Claimant should not be treated as having fixed the problem unless the court grants relief from sanction. The hearing note should be short and headed as a CPR 27.9 notice and Defendant’s short written submissions. CPR 3.8 is the useful rule on sanctions: where a sanction applies for breach of a court order, it takes effect unless the defaulting party obtains relief. |