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Ulverston Premier Inn Car Park - Printable Version +- Private Parking Ticket Legal Advice (PPTLA) (https://pptla.uk) +-- Forum: Legal advice forum (https://pptla.uk/forumdisplay.php?fid=3) +--- Forum: Parking Charge Notices forum (https://pptla.uk/forumdisplay.php?fid=4) +--- Thread: Ulverston Premier Inn Car Park (/showthread.php?tid=86) |
RE: Ulverston Premier Inn Car Park - L Bow - 05-19-2026 Thank you very much @b789! I have emailed Premier Inn and will wait for their response before appealing to POPLA. I will keep you in touch with developments. RE: Ulverston Premier Inn Car Park - L Bow - 06-08-2026 Quick update - I've submitted my appeal to POPLA today. I haven't received anything from Premier Inn. RE: Ulverston Premier Inn Car Park - b789 - 06-08-2026 @L Bow, no problem. As I have already mentioned, don't pin your hopes on POPLA, because they are notoriously inept and their primary interest is in looking after their paymasters, the parking companies. So, even if unsuccessful at POPLA, that decision is not binding on you and you just move on to the next stage. As highlighted, there can be no Keeper liability and the burden of proof is on the operator to prove that the Keeper was the driver. The only way they can do that is if the Keeper tells them, even though there is no legal obligation to do so. When Horizon provide their evidence, which will say that even though they are not relying on PoFA to hold the Keeper liable, they will rely on some made up reason, which would never stand up in court but some POPLA assessors are too incompetent to understand, show it and I will provide a suitable rebuttal. RE: Ulverston Premier Inn Car Park - L Bow - 06-16-2026 I've been sent Horizon's 26 page submission to POPLA and have until Monday to respond. They have included a number of photos dated 4 Mar 2026 which do show signage, though there isn't a clear picture of the EV charge point. The signs indicate Premier Inn Guests should validate at reception, if you are 'Just looking to park' then there is "Dynamic pricing in place". Nothing obvious about if you are there to charge your EV. They say this, which to me is an acceptance that in the interests of fairness (when no charge is made for Premier Inn guests) specific information should be provided for those using the EV chargers. We acknowledge the provided evidence of charging their vehicle however, it cannot be considered as valid grounds for appeal. The signage on site does not state that electric vehicles are permitted to park without completing a payment/registration, which means using EV charging facilities does not exempt a vehicle and allow it to park here without requirement of completing a valid payment if not hotel guest. Having an electric vehicle and using the charging facilities on site only allows a motorist to park in an EV charging bay to use the EV charging facilities and does not exempt a vehicle from terms and conditions. Parking and charging are two separate services, and paying EV charging fees only covers the electricity usage and not the right to park in a parking space without adhering to the terms and conditions, and the Appellant should have not made this assumption. They have responded to the points made in the appeal including: the site in question is not operated under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (POFA) and the requirement to issue a letter within 14 days of the alleged contravention in this instance do not apply, as we do not seek to rely on POFA to establish the Register Keeper’s liability. However, the Appellant has accepted liability in their initial appeal to Horizon by stating “…correlate directly with my entry and exit times” and by stating this, the Appellant has freely admitted being parked in the private land and using the available EV facilities on site for the related duration of stay for this Parking Charge. They also reference ParkingEye v Beavis [2025] as justification for the £100 charge. @b789 I may be able to create a redacted version if you want to read it all. (It would be easier if I was able to send you a copy directly though) RE: Ulverston Premier Inn Car Park - b789 - 06-16-2026 Just make a redacted version available. However, stop worrying about this. Whether POPLA accept your appeal or not does not change anything. You may have messed up a bit by not referring to the driver in the third person but that is not fatal. The burden of proof is on Horizon to show the Keeper was the driver. What they have said does not prove that. The Keeper could have been a passenger, for example. Once you e shown all their evidence, I can give you a suitable rebuttal. RE: Ulverston Premier Inn Car Park - L Bow - 06-17-2026 Attached is the Horizon statement in two parts. I've removed the original notice, a page with my details and another copy of the Electroverse bill to reduce file size. One thing that has struck me is that the signing has no specific "I'm looking to charge my EV" category, something I would think is reasonable to expect. I would consider that in the absence of any advertised parking tariff or ticketing machines, and that Premier Inn guests park for free, using the EV bays to charge for less than an hour would also be a reasonable assumption to make. In any event from their statement it is not clear if an additional charge for parking whilst EV charging is due as I was not a customer of Premier Inn. Note also that the dropdown menu on the Horizon site for the initial appeal says "I was charging my electric vehicle" as the challenge reason, it has to be I. In my response I saif "my entry and exit times" but did not actually say I was driving. Again, many thanks for your assistance. RE: Ulverston Premier Inn Car Park - b789 - 06-17-2026 @L Bow, use the following as your rebuttal to their evidence: Quote:1. No landowner authority has been produced RE: Ulverston Premier Inn Car Park - L Bow - 06-19-2026 Thanks for your advice. I edited it slightly to cover two additional points:
RE: Ulverston Premier Inn Car Park - b789 - 06-20-2026 No problem. Like I have mentioned, you are dealing with a system that is stacked against you. If this appeal is not accepted, it doesn't matter. You don't pay. Horizon rarely take a claim all the way to a hearing because they know they have little chance of ever convincing an impartial judge that their interpretation of contract law is correct. They rely solely on the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree being too ignorant and scared of a claim to just pay up. Let's see what POPLA come up with. RE: Ulverston Premier Inn Car Park - L Bow - 08-15-2026 Hello again! POPLA's Assessor has deemed my claim unsuccessful: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Decision Unsuccessful Assessor Name XXXXXX Assessor summary of operator case The operator has issued a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) as the driver failed to pay or register for the full duration of their stay. Assessor summary of your case The appellant disputes that the notice complies with the requirements of the Protection of Freedoms Act (2012). They advise that it is not made clear why the PCN was issued. They have asked for evidence of the signage on site. They explain that the operator has not provided any evidence that the terms and conditions were breached. They have asked to see evidence that the operator hold a valid contract with the landowner. The appellant does not believe that the PCN is justified. The appellant has commented on the parking operator’s evidence. In support of their appeal the appellant has provided a document detailing their appeal and receipt for charging their EV. Assessor supporting rational for decision The appellant admitted that they were the driver of the vehicle in their original appeal to the operator as such the operator is not relying upon transferring liability using the Protection of Freedoms Act (2012). This means that there is no requirement for the notice to comply with the act. The reason for issue is clearly stated on the PCN. In this site hotel guests can register and all other users including those using the EV chargers must pay for their time on site. The operator does not know which category of user a driver is until the appeal as such the reason for issue is both clear and accurate. The operator has provided date and time stamped photos showing it signs on site before this parking event. It has also provided a map to show that there are signs throughout the site. The signs are white so stand out and the driver could not have reached the EV charger without passing many signs. There is no requirement for specific terms and conditions at the EV chargers. The signs make it clear that all users who fail to pay or register will receive a parking charge of £100. The signs on site comply fully with Section 3 of the Single Code of Practice. As the signs do not state that EV charger users are exempt from the stated restrictions they would still apply. A driver cannot charge their vehicle without parking in a EV charge bay as such it is clear that the terms and conditions would still apply. Any contract the driver agreed to with the EV charger provide as no relevance at all to the outcome of this assessment as it is with a third party and not the parking operator. The operator has provided a list which shows that the driver did not pay for parking and was not registered as a guest of the Premier Inn. Section 14 of the Single Code of Practice requires the operator to have an agreement in place before it starts management of a site. The operator has confirmed that it holds such an agreement and the fact that it has equipment on site is sufficient evidence to prove that it is the case. There is no requirement for the operator to provide a copy of its contract to prove this as the appellant has not right to see this information which is commercially sensitive. The ANPR images are sufficient to prove how long a driver was on site and in conjunction with the list of payments can prove if the terms and conditions were breached. The court case of Parking Eye Ltd V Beavis confirmed that the purpose of a PCN was to encourage compliance with the terms and conditions. While the driver has proven that they were charging their vehicle the operator has proven no payment was made. This confirms that the PCN is justified as the driver failed to comply. After considering the evidence from both parties, the driver did not pay for their time on site and was not registered and therefore did not comply with the terms and conditions of the site. As such, I am satisfied the parking charge has been issued correctly and I must refuse the appeal. ------------------------------------------------------------ As mentioned previously, this site does not require any payment to park either as a hotel user or an EV Charger user. I look forward to receiving your advice. |